All this time I had been posting every now and then in the Josh Groban Alliance—and staying out of trouble for the most part—lol! However, I had gotten into a bit of a skirmish there defending several posters there. There was some sort of argument over Josh—I don’t even remember now what it was about—and the moderator there “gagged” several posters in the offending thread (stopped them from being able to post). I found out about this thru an email from a friend and I posted that this was NOT right. I completely disagreed with the moderator essentially “putting people in time out” like little children. So what if people were arguing? Isn’t that what the original intention of the Alliance WAS—to allow people to speak freely without having some overbearing moderator silencing people? And if someone didn’t like the thread, then they didn’t have to read it. So I spoke out for ALL the posters. I suppose that didn’t set too well with the “head guys” there. Then something VERY interesting happened in the Alliance. Around September 17th, there appeared a HIDDEN THREAD in the in a PRIVATE FOLDER. Only certain people were able to see this thread, started by Kate. Her post was about something to do with the Josh Groban Underground, and I posted a response in the thread--and in that post I reminded everyone how I was booted out of the Underground. Apparently Kate had made a mistake and allowed me to see the thread. After I posted, she immediately hid the thread from me. But for some reason, a while later I was able to see the thread again--I think it was because I had two windows open at the time. In the meantime, she had made a new post in the thread and she didn't realize that I could see it. Note that “Cabin 12” was a code name for a single FOJG membership that 12 people used. And people talk about ME breaking the rules? I have NEVER used anyone else’s member name to get into FOJG…. I PAID for my memberships or they were given to me as gifts from friends. Here is Kate’s “lovely” post in the hidden folder in the Alliance:

A couple of people posted (after that post) to point out that I had nothing to do with the Grace situation --- which is true — I had never even talked to any “Grace” person! And they also pointed out that I WAS back in FOJG, because they had seen my posts there. Kate seemed surprised and asked where my posts were in FOJG. I didn’t let on that I could see her hidden thread. I decided to try to ignore it because, well, I was just happy that I was back in FOJG and life was good.

On Monday September 19th, I was in a particularly good mood. I had mailed some "Josh surprises" to a couple of friends and I had spent several hours defending Josh in some private emails. I also made some "sampler CD's” of Josh's songs for my students in my Monday night class, and I gushed over how wonderful Josh is that night. Most of them had never heard of Josh (as usual). So then I get home at 10:00 that night, after doing all that "Josh stuff"--in SUPPORT of Josh, and I attempt to login to FOJG....only to see that "account disabled" message come up again. I couldn’t understand WHY—I hadn’t posted anything negative whatsoever. It takes a lot to make me cry--I'm a real tough cookie...but this cruel action did it.

I suppose that prompted them to do SOMETHING, because the next day, October 3rd, I got this email from Dan:

Next, because I was excited about Josh being on TV, on September 21st I signed up as JoshFanlmiller at joshgroban.com and started the thread called “Josh is performing on Monday!!! Yeah!!”  I managed to post 3 posts before Dan banned that username again. He also deleted my third post which just said something funny about Josh working as a carpenter. I said that I could just see 1000 Grobanites showing up to “help” Josh, saying: “Josh, can I hold that hammer for you?”, “Josh here’s some lemonade. You look hot.”….hee hee…I don’t know what was wrong with that post (as usual), but I guess it was just because it was ME who posted it.

Back to the Josh Groban Alliance drama. After I got banned from FOJG for the third time, I was also still steaming over that post by Kate in that private folder. Since I got banned from FOJG only two days after it was revealed in the that I was back posting at FOJG, it seemed logical that someone there had run off to Dan and “tattletaled” on me again. Of course, there is the chance that it could have been someone in FOJG who saw my posts there, but since I had been posting there for a while, that really didn’t seem logical. (Also, I hadn't posted anything whatsoever that would be grounds for banning.) I had NO idea who this person would be, but I wanted to get a message to them, so I started a new thread in the called: “To the Louise backstabber here..”  Well, Marty, who was the moderator of the Alliance, asked me to explain what I meant to the members of the forum. But she apparently took Kate’s side and she ended up “bozoing” me. That is where the person posting can see their posts, but nobody ELSE can. I figured that out very quickly. That realization, along with Kate's "lovely" post about me in that hidden thread, infuriated me. Since Marty made my posts in the thread invisible to members, I sent an explanation of what happened to me to everyone in the visitor list of the Alliance. Then Marty banned me from the Alliance!! I sent her an email asking for an explanation, and she told me it was because I sent PM’s to everyone in the forum. Unbelievable! So, in a nutshell: Marty asks that I explain, I post an explanation of why I started the thread, Marty hides the explanation from other members of the Alliance, so I email the explanation to everyone, and then Marty bans me because I sent the explanation emails!! What kind of twisted logic is that? Also, in a frustrating email exchange with Marty, she never answered my direct question of why she bozo-ed me in the first place.

Well, Marty banned me from the Alliance, but stated that she had "posted a poll" asking people whether they wanted me back or not. She said she would "Leave the poll up for 24 hours" and then abide by the results. I waited 24 hours and didn't hear anything. Then after 48 hours, I asked a few friends to tell me what the poll results were, and to my surprise their response was "WHAT POLL? There IS no poll and never WAS". That infuriated me and FINALLY Marty answered my email, admitting to me that she LIED about there being a poll posted. Her excuse was that she "emailed" everyone and did the poll that way. So the vote was to keep me out. Now let me point out that sending emails to people is NOT A FAIR POLL. You know why? Because it is NOT anonymous and therefore most people who answered the email were the people who agreed with Marty. People who took my side were afraid to answer for fear of getting bumped too. One of my best friends told me she didn't answer Marty's email. So of COURSE I was voted out. That was the UNFAIR way I was booted out of the Alliance. The Alliance continued on, with Kate and others continuing to bash me… one of the lovely things Kate called me was an “energy vampire”. Wow, that’s not a nice thing to say. By the way, the Alliance has recently closed down. I don’t know if the Josh Groban Underground is still around… I suspect that it is….